furthermore when someone presents historical fact to point out flaws in your reasoning ,or in this case conjecture, concerning a space in time so removed from our lives today that it's impossible for anyone to safely say what they would do, it is not silencing or abuse if done with facts, precision and in the spirit of EDUCATION and without hatred- all of which i feel i did. we could all be the wiser for studying history with an eye to the vanquished and exploited, not to blame them but rather to see wherein others have perpetrated evil against their fellow humans . when you characterize an entire people because of their collective suffering as not smart enough to know what to do to save themselves, don't be surprised if their desendants WHO ARE NOT SELF LOATHING take it ' poorly' and object. how did those stupid jews manage to walk into those ovens? they could have ....etc etc. should have could have would have- it's irrelevant what you or i would have done in 1845 ireland or even 1930s germany. it happened. it was wrong. they did not have the options wenow have. you can smear the victims all you'd like eeven if so very slightly-it's a common practise done from safety of a modern world with a 2 second attention span filled with people who can't find ireland on a map after 12 years of an american education and have substituted grandstanding and screams of injustice anytime anyone has the audacity to think otherwise or insist on fact and history instead of histrionics.
so as to to not be shut up i present:
mr. mittens and the potato famine or why didn't those thick fucking micks pick up a fucking fishing pole when their bloody frigging potato crop failed.
enjoy. i only wish i could present it in cats head theatre... or with MR AND MRS POTATOHEAD!!!
question( say it like destiny's child, please)?: why didn't the irish fish instead of starve to death- they are an island after all.
mr. mittens :
although perhaps you do not mean it, you appear glib to anyone who knows the history of the irish potato famine. you are blaming the VICTIMS and making light of what had become a near genocide of the irish people at the hands of england. i'm irish in part and celtic in whole( scottish and french) and it's not like we haven't heard it before- thick micks too drunk and stupid to fish. a million irish were purposely starved to death. i have a difficult time making light of it.
i don't know if you have ever seen the coast of ireland, but its not exactly a picturesque sandy beach you can go down to with a pole , a pair of cut offs on and a 6 pack and load up on fish. it is rocky, craigy and not exactly bahamas weather. any fish are located far off the coast " in water too deep and dangerous for the little cowhide-covered irish fishing boats...starving fishermen pawned their nets and tackle to buy food for their families" . do you or have you ever seen someone begging for food? do you ever suggest, because we're on the coast, they can get themselves a lobster trap and go to it?
the irish were kept in a state of middle ages type serfdom- stuck as tenant farmers on lands they could be evicted from at whim- lands owned almost entirely by the english. there was no room for advancement- any improvements made to these lands by the farmer belonged to the landowner. the penal laws enacted after england disbanded the irish parliment and made the country entirely subject to the crown were directed soley against the catholic irish, over 80 % of the population. they were not allowed to own land, vote, attend school,possess weapons nor pratice their religion. they were virtually slaves. england effectively created an entire nation of paupers kept, through legislation , poor and subdued. i can't imagine there was much time for a trip to the seashore when you lived in a hut, had no access to money and probably owned no form of transportation and for hundreds of years were kept on the brink fo starvation.boats, fishing tackle and nets cost money. ireland had a barter economy at the time.
potatos were actually the optimum crop for growth in ireland which had rocky soil and a wet rather colder weather. it gave the greatest yield for the least tending on the least amount of land and provided the most nutriants. only a portion of ireland is very ariable and yet it was the most densely populated part of western europe per inch.
they were required to grow other grains on their farms ( they were forced to do so- these grains they could not keep and they were shipped to england BY LAW. there were riots at the docks when the fucking famine was going full steam and the goddamn british wouldn't let ireland keep these grains to feed their dying population.) they were tenant farmers- they were told what to grow- they had no choice and no money with which to avail themselves even of a choice of something other.
england also kept in force the Corn Laws which were intended to keep the price of british grown grains high while preventing cheaper grains form america and india out of british possessions. these foreign affordable grains could have saved ireland, which was the poorest country in western world. the one man in british parliment who suggested repealing them because of the famine was treated with contempt and ridicule.
like most of the irish of the time who survived my mother's family came to nyc . to this day i have no taste for fish and am allergic to shellfish. today ireland is in better financial shape than fucking england- ah ha . stupid fucking roastbeefs.i am not ashamed of my heritage- we survived despite outrageous odds and a smoldering prejudice that followed us to anglosaxon america. everyone else's tragedies are always more easily solved by those with the safety and distance to comfort themselves in the idea that they, of course, would know what was the right ,most effective thing to do. facts are always helpful in this armchair quarterbacking. there are plenty of facts about the potato famine on the web and from people who still feel and live it's malingering after effects.