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Notre Dame de Mars
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"Mary's cult inherited the lily of the Blessed Virgin Juno, who conceived her savior-son, Mars without male aid . The myth reflected an early belief in the self- fertilizing power of the yoni..( ie lily, fleur- de -lis , shamrock)...

In 656 AD the Council of Toledo officially adopted the day ofJuno's miraculous conception...into the christian canon, renaming it the Festivale of the Mother of God or Lady Day [March 25 aka the vernal equinox] , insisting it commemorated Mary's miraculous conception of Jesus via a lily.

Christianized France identified the Lily Maid ( Juno) with the virgin Mary.. Lady Day was known as Notre Dame de Mars".- barbara g. walker

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And all this time I thought this business about lilly's was just to honor me. It just seems so natural that I would be worshiped the world over for my purity and chastity. Ah well, so much for that idea.

oh my... this doesn't mean that Scamper is the immaculately conceived savior-son, does it???

i never pictured our lord and savior as being quite so..mmm nervous and furry.

Scamper is adopted. I would never sully myself with such a common activity as breeding. Ick. Just ick.

No, I don't actually like that whole imaculate conception idea anyway. I want a savior with a little bit of smut in his background, you know?

Fleur-de-lys

(Anonymous)
"In the words of the prophet Hosea, the lily became the flower symbol of Israel: "I will be like the dew for Israel; he shall blossom like the lily" (Hosea 14, 6); and the lily was also allegorically referred to in the Song of Songs (Cant. 2 .1.) and as a favourite simile later in Hebrew poetry. This flower was also an important source of perfume, which was certainly used for sacred purposes and constituted one of the main kinds of spices used in ancient times. Though not found in profusion in Israel today, we may assume that it was once common in all parts of the country. The motif of the lily is apparently derived from the design which graced the capitals of the two main pillars which stood in front of the Temple - Jachin and Boaz. The lily became a popular motif in Jewish art of the Second Temple period and as so, it appears in other coins struck in Jerusalem during the second and first centuries BC under Antiochus VII, John Hyrcanus I and Alexander Jannaeus" (http://www.imj.org.il/eng/archaeology/numismatics/minting.html)

In other words the Jews were using the Fleur-de-lys way before Juno gave birth... and let us not forget that Mary was jewish unlike all you so-call christians who forget you are jewish. It was the symbol for the city of Jerusalem and the reason Clovis I used it was because he was a Merovingian and they were the descendents of the Jews and Christians that came to France with Mary Magdalen. By the time Clovis came to power some of his people were following the cult of "Diana of the Ardennes -of the nine fires" who was also associated with the Fleur-de-lys (If i'm correct). The greeks themselves are suppose to be descendents of one of the tribes of the Jews and therefore this common association by Greeks,Romans and Jews with the Fleur-de-lys and purity.

Re: Fleur-de-lys

(Anonymous)
Oh yeah I forgot to say it's me ~V

the jews as we know them before they were what we could rightly call monotheistic patriarchical worshippers of jahweh were pagans....

the roman and greek pagan dieties were based on architypes in the asiatic and semetic world that predate judaism, the founding of the temple mount, cohens and rabbis and of course christians. the old testament itself provides ample examples of the pagan roots of the chosen tribe who were driven from israel and the admission that they worshipped animals and women that both the jews and the christians largely turned into demons.

you are not going back far enough....the civilizations the yoni, tripled were found in all predate israel, even the mere thought of it. i am not particularly interested in a judeochristian interpertation of the symbols of a religion they use all their powers now as then to destroy and if not destroy hijack out of their own feelings of omnipotence, really an admission of flaccidity .... .


Re: Fleur-de-lys

(Anonymous)
Yes, I should have said and I was going to say that the Jews probably took that symbol and many others from cultures that came before them. And therefore we can say that barbara g. walker is incorrect because the Fleur-de-lys has been around way before either Greek /Roman and Christian/ Jewish cultures and all these cultures have about the same interpretation of the symbol (e.g. chastity, purity, etc.)because they all took from an earlier culture. Now trying to find out which culture it was is hard. I wouldn't go as far as to say destroying because the original meanings are still there, even if under a different guise.And at least by reading the judeochristian interpertation of the symbols we can get a feel of what the original interpretation of the symbols were. These recurring themes are there for a reason, all over the world you will find them under different religions and guises. (I'm starting to babel...which reminds me maybe there is some truth to the tower of babel and why these recurring themes spread throught-out the world?) What do you think?

Re: i think it's mommy

Sumer....

"Traces of Sumerian religion survive today and are reflected in writings of the Bible. As late as Ezekiel, there is mention of a Sumerian deity. In Ezekiel 8:14, the prophet sees women of Israel weeping for Tammuz (Dumuzi) during a drought.

The bulk of Sumerian parallels can, however be found much earlier, in the book of Genesis. As in Genesis, the Sumerians' world is formed out of the watery abyss and the heavens and earth are divinely separated from one another by a solid dome. The second chapter of Genesis introduces the paradise Eden, a place which is similar to the Sumerian Dilmun, described in the myth of "Enki and Ninhursag". Dilmun is a pure, bright, and holy land - now often identified with Bahrain in the Persian Gulf. It is blessed by Enki to have overflowing, sweet water. Enki fills it with lagoons and palm trees. He impregnates Ninhursag and causes eight new plants to grow from the earth. Eden, "in the East" (Gen. 2:8) has a river which also "rises" or overflows, to form four rivers including the Tigris and Euphrates."

babylon assyria hittites egypt........

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/

"Among the Semitic speaking peoples of Mesopotamia she was first a figure similar to Lil, a Sumerian goddess of destructive winds and storms. When Hebrew/Semitic morals became dominant in the Near East she was equated and merged with Lamashtu, a demonic female spirit (sometimes witch) known in Syria as a killer of children. Here she acquired her characterization as a winged demon of the night (Talmud), as dangerous vampire and succubus (Zohar), as mother of the incubi and as screeching night-owl (Bible).

Other legends show her to be the magically beautiful first woman to share paradise with Adam, a female "made by god" in a manner similar to how the "Lord" "made" the first male. Here, then, she is the original first woman, an independent and free virgin who would not submit to Adam's attempts at sexual domination. After leaving both the first male and the prison of paradise she was replaced by a less independent and less equal Eve, a woman not "made" from the Earth but from a rib of the man Adam. It is said that Lilith is but one of twenty names by which that first woman was known and each name is supposed to contain a "secret of sexual mysticism". These "secrets" most likely represent the erotic teachings and sexual techniques that were taught to initiates and worshippers in the temples of Inanna, Ishtar and Astarte ~ teachings and practices that threatened the new patriarchal leaders and their attempts to make woman into a dependent, monogamous servant of their households. "There is no doubt", says Ean Begg, that the "Queen of Sheeba in the cabbala, the Zohar and Arabic legends" is identical with the Near Eastern goddess Lilith, who "is also associated with the concubine of Abraham, Hagar 'the Egyptian', whose son Ishmael, having been begotten on the Black stone of the Ka'bah, became the ancestor of the Arab peoples"( Begg p38)(http://www.yoni.com/bitchf/lilith.shtml)"

"Adam's first wife was a relic of an early rabbinical attempt to assimilate the sumero-babylonian goddess belit-lit or belili to jewish mythology...the story of lilith disappeared from the canonical bible but her daughters the lilim haunted men for over a 1000 years. well into the middle ages jews were manufacturing amulets to keep away the lilim who were lustful she-demons....

greeks adopted the lilim and called them lamiae, empusae( forcers-in) or daughters of hecate. christians also adopted them and called them harlots of hell, or succubae..celebate monks tried to fend them off by sleeping with their hands crossed over their genitals, clutching a crucifix" - b.walker

i see they had no need or desire to fend off little boy demons...

where are these harlots of hell?---- they sound hot.
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